I asked Abba this question and got two immediate answers to the question. The first was that people would be saying, ‘Where is the promise of his coming?”, and the other was, “Will Adonai find faith when he comes again?”
You see, I was asking if Yeshua was ever coming back, as I was feeling as if no progress to his return was being made.
We have had a lot of change in how the Word of G-d goes out, but so much of what is happening because of the Word being preached worldwide is not talked about. I think it is because it shows how little of G-d we have in the West, and how much our news is slanted to those things that are flashy, confrontative, and ungodly.
We have evil things and ideas mixing within our Western Churches in the highly developed nations. Praise and the enjoyment of Praise are more important than prayer, and more important than a message that strikes the heart with fear that we are not doing love in a way that Yeshua would recognize. All ways to reach G-d are being celebrated, because G-d loves us, and understands where we are coming from…right? It doesn’t seem to matter in the Western Nations that Yeshua said that the only way to G-d was through him. That sort of thing is unloving, and unfair, and discriminatory.
The idea that homosexuality is considered by G-d to be an abomination also is unloving, unfair and discriminatory, and so gay men and lesbian women are being ordained in many a church, and marriages between same sex couples celebrated without a blink at how strange this would be to a church 50 years ago, much less to Yeshua.
And worshiping other gods? Well, names that are well known in religions outside of the worship of YHVH, even that of Lucifer, and Astoreth and Kali are being preached from the same pulpits in the churches that have praise rather than prayer and psychologically appropriate readings as opposed to sound teaching from the one book that matters. But I daresay I should not say so…I might be criticizing someone else’s favorite book, and thus being unkind, unloving, unfair and discriminatory.
That shows that very few people in the Western developed nations will be in faith when Yeshua returns…they are far more likely to be worshipping idols, and enjoying great concerts at their churches. Of course, they will not be hearing anything that Yeshua has said, or the Prophets before him or what is in the Torah that was given by YHVH
And I suppose they will begin to ask as well, “Where is the promise of his coming, because he isn’t here!”
That and the diminishing amount of faith in the Western developed nations means that Yeshua must be a lot closer to coming that I would ever have guessed…had I not asked Abba what was going on.
There will be fewer and fewer Believers in the Western developed nations, but in less developed nations of the east, and north and south, news of Yeshua is running like wildfire. And the Jews in Israel are finding Yeshua to be their Mashiach in greatly increasing numbers, while the persecution of their efforts to reach more people in Israel is being condemned, and legislated against, while death threats are made by Rabbinical Jews against Messianic Jews who preach the Gospel to anyone who will hear them.
And thus, the people in developed nations are being led away from Yeshua, and those who wish to find him are dissuaded, and punished, and even killed.
I asked G-d, “Where is the promise of his coming?” I was frustrated, and tired of all that is being done in the world. He asked me if there will be faith when Yeshua returns…in the world…in me.
Look and see. Yeshua will come when it is time…when the last person known by G-d to be open to Yeshua has repented, and come to a saving knowledge of Yeshua. There are still people who can be reached by those who love Yeshua and talk of him to others, so Yeshua will probably not come today. Good…it gives us time to reach others.
Will Yeshua come next week? Perhaps not. Next year? I would like that, but there are prophecies outstanding that are to happen before Yeshua comes.
Within the next decade? That is entirely possible…I hope it is not probablematical, even though I have no taste for G-d’s punishment landing on anyone. The sand is slipping through the hourglass, and although YHVH Tsava’ot is very patient, and does not think as we do, nor count time and effort and pain in the ways that we are accustomed to considering, his patience with those who seek evil will run out.
Look up, the end is approaching, and our Redemption does draw nigh. The hour is late, and ‘the night will soon be here when no one can work.’ John 9:4 (NJB)
The God Conspiracy 
@Questor “I want the argument in full. I also want it to be short and to the point, and not by scripture reference alone. Referenced scriptures only show that there may be biblical support for the argument, but generally are not the argument itself.”
My arguments run 4 to 20 pages.
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And I thought I was wordy…it doesn’t mean that I don’t want your argument, or that I wouldn’t have published something of it that made sense. Granted, there is only 4? days left by your countdown…still, I would love to read something convincing.
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In a year of Jubilee on a New Moon, Full Moon, or Solemn Feast Day (Matt 24:29-31 (2007-2017); Psalms 81:3; Prov 7:20 (full moon in the margin of King James Version. Try in 15 days from now.
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I would like very much for what you are saying to be true, but I don’t see any relevant evidence in the quotes given…I have printed them out, as I dislike the blind referencing of a line here and a line there in the Scriptures…I don’t have that good a memory, and most people do not read the Bible sufficiently to have it memorized.
Psalm 3 begins as a song of praise for the Feast of Tabernacles, for past deliverance of the Israelites in Egypt, but it also a warning against listening to the idolaters of that day that seek to draw Believers away to other gods.
There is a lot of that going on, but I don’t see it marking a specific date for Yeshua to return.
The Psalm turns to a command, even a warning, given in sorrow, that a time would come when Israel’s disobedience would lead to tragedy, and that such a thing did happen. The Israelite’s strayed to their own opinions and ideas rather than the strict obedience and faith that would have led them into the Promised Land under G-d’s power, rather than their own strength buttressed by G-d’s power. They were thrust into wandering the wilderness for 40 years and never crossing the Jordan. They suffered for their disobedience, for not listening to YHVH, and remind us that the commandments are given with a promise that if his people are faithful, they would lack for nothing.
The Psalm is for Tabernacles, which is in shadow a reference to YHVH coming in a tabernacle of flesh, but doesn’t seem to promise anything in specific to Mashiach returning…except at Sukkot, which is already past, in the year of Jubilee that was claimed by those who struggle with calendars. We might not have the right Jubilee, we might not have the right calendar, and G-d may not be paying attention to what we think he said…because he knows what he is doing.
Proverbs is an exhortation to being wise, and following his father’s warnings…then gives a warning of what can happen to someone not paying attention, and who can be led astray by a fast-talking sweet thing who is all too willing to seduce someone, anyone, into illicit behavior. Psalm 7:20 is simply a reference to how a false assumption can be used and gives the example “he’s gone, and he won’t be back for a while…he took a lot of money and thus intends to stay away for a while.” It doesn’t seem to me to be a reference to Yeshua, since he is not the husband of the seducer, nor is Yeshua’s absence explained that way.
Yeshua left the Earth so that the Ruach haKodosh could come, and begin to change those who would commit to Yeshua. He is most vertainly willing to return, but he will not come until his Bride is ready…the very last person in that Bride calling for his return.
The Song of Solomon is more descriptive of what is happening here on the earth. Yeshua would have come many a time, but his beloved has not been ready and has not been willing. As Israel is that beloved, and they have only just begun to ask for Yeshua to come, the Bride ‘Jerusalem’ may be stirring in her sleep, and beginning to yawn herself awake, but it does not seem to be enough for Yeshua to return on the next full moon.
How marvelous it would be if the whole planet would come together to cry out for Yeshua’s return because he is not coming back until the Jews say “Blessed is he that comes in the name of YHVH.”
Psalm 81:1-16 (KJV)
1
Sing aloud unto God our strength: make a joyful noise unto the God of Jacob.
2 Take a psalm, and bring hither the timbrel, the pleasant harp with the psaltery.
3 Blow up the trumpet in the new moon, in the time appointed, on our solemn feast day.
4 For this was a statute for Israel, and a law of the God of Jacob.
5 This he ordained in Joseph for a testimony, when he went out through the land of Egypt: where I heard a language that I understood not.
6 I removed his shoulder from the burden: his hands were delivered from the pots.
7 Thou calledst in trouble, and I delivered thee; I answered thee in the secret place of thunder: I proved thee at the waters of Meribah. Selah.
8 Hear, O my people, and I will testify unto thee: O Israel, if thou wilt hearken unto me;
9 There shall no strange god be in thee; neither shalt thou worship any strange god.
10 I am the LORD thy God, which brought thee out of the land of Egypt: open thy mouth wide, and I will fill it.
11 But my people would not hearken to my voice; and Israel would none of me.
12 So I gave them up unto their own hearts’ lust: and they walked in their own counsels.
13 Oh that my people had hearkened unto me, and Israel had walked in my ways!
14 I should soon have subdued their enemies, and turned my hand against their adversaries.
15 The haters of the LORD should have submitted themselves unto him: but their time should have endured for ever.
16 He should have fed them also with the finest of the wheat: and with honey out of the rock should I have satisfied thee.
Proverbs 7:1-27 (KJV)
1 My son, keep my words, and lay up my commandments with thee.
2 Keep my commandments, and live; and my law as the apple of thine eye.
3 Bind them upon thy fingers, write them upon the table of thine heart.
4 Say unto wisdom, Thou art my sister; and call understanding thy kinswoman:
5 That they may keep thee from the strange woman, from the stranger which flattereth with her words.
6 For at the window of my house I looked through my casement,
7 And beheld among the simple ones, I discerned among the youths, a young man void of understanding,
8 Passing through the street near her corner; and he went the way to her house,
9 In the twilight, in the evening, in the black and dark night:
10 And, behold, there met him a woman with the attire of an harlot, and subtil of heart.
11 (She is loud and stubborn; her feet abide not in her house:
12 Now is she without, now in the streets, and lieth in wait at every corner.)
13 So she caught him, and kissed him, and with an impudent face said unto him,
14 I have peace offerings with me; this day have I payed my vows.
15 Therefore came I forth to meet thee, diligently to seek thy face, and I have found thee.
16 I have decked my bed with coverings of tapestry, with carved works, with fine linen of Egypt.
17 I have perfumed my bed with myrrh, aloes, and cinnamon.
18 Come, let us take our fill of love until the morning: let us solace ourselves with loves.
19 For the goodman is not at home, he is gone a long journey:
20 He hath taken a bag of money with him, and will come home at the day appointed.
21 With her much fair speech she caused him to yield, with the flattering of her lips she forced him.
22 He goeth after her straightway, as an ox goeth to the slaughter, or as a fool to the correction of the stocks;
23 Till a dart strike through his liver; as a bird hasteth to the snare, and knoweth not that it is for his life.
24 Hearken unto me now therefore, O ye children, and attend to the words of my mouth.
25 Let not thine heart decline to her ways, go not astray in her paths.
26 For she hath cast down many wounded: yea, many strong men have been slain by her.
27 Her house is the way to hell, going down to the chambers of death.
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Day of the Lord/Day of Judgment
Psa 72:2 He shall (Psa_72:12-14, Psa_45:6-7; Isa_11:3-5, Isa_32:1, Isa_32:17; Jer_33:15; Rev_19:11) judge thy people with righteousness (rule in righteousness), and thy poor (oppressed; Psa_70:5; Psa_12:5, Psa_82:3-4; Job_34:19) with judgment (justice).
Day of the Lord is a day of Darkness and distress. Rev 19:11 refers to Armageddon.
Day of Trumpet to Day of Atonement over a one year period for the Trumpet and Bowl Judgments of Revelation. The rapture can be before the Trumpet Judgments or the Bowl Judgments. The Bowl Judgments can begin at Feast of First Fruits or Pentecost or even the Day of Trumpet.
The window for Sun of Righteousness (Nibiru) is 2015-2020, but a closer one is 2017-2018, January to October, January to April, May to October. The Trumpet and Bowl judgments can be poured out over a 7 month period, 8.5 month period, 9 month period or even a 12 month period. Matthew 24 says these days are shorten for the sake of the Elect so that refers to one year or less and not 7 years as Christians teach. The last 3.5 years is shorten to one year. For one year we have: The Flood; Exodus Plague 1-10 (5.5 months) to Pentcost =8.5 months; Deut 24:5; Isa 34:8; Isa 61:1-2; Isa 63:4; Psalms 117-118; Jhn 6:39, 40, 44, 54 where last day = last year. Axial pole shift is on the Day of Rapture or Day of Trumpet 10 days before Armageddon but Rev 6:12-17; Isa 24:1 is the wrath of God and this is before the Trumpet Judgments of Revelation. This coinsides with the Day of Rapture.
The Day of the Lord began on the Day of Trumpet in 2017 and ends on the Day of Atonement in 2018 according to Isaiah with Armageddon (Psalms 118:10-14). Stars Fall, Burning Stone, Millstone, Plague of Hail, axial poleshift and many other events.
The Sun is 5778 Kelvin in heat which is 9941 Fahrenheit. The Prime Factors of 5778: 2 x3 x107 For example, 5778 can be divided by 2: 5778 / 2 = 2 889.
1918 WWI +100 years =2018 WWIII Day of Atonement is Armageddon.
1948+70 years (Psalms 90:10) = 2018/5778.
2018 CE Deut 32:25 The sword without, and terror within, shall destroy both the young man and the virgin, the suckling also with the man of gray hairs. War (Ezekiel 38-39 War?) ends on the Day of Atonement with Marriage of the groom and Bride and then Armageddon. There are 5 days of grace and then the Messianic Kingdom/Millennium begins (Psalm 118:15). Some believe the great tribulation ends here and the Millennial Temple is dedicated by Yeshua at Chanukkah.
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Johnny, I do not understand what it is you are attempting to say, other than to offer me all the proof texts you believe support your statement that the rapture will be occurring in 2 weeks’ time.
I was unable to follow how you derived that date for Yeshua’s return from the first comment, and the supporting scriptures…it is why I wrote about what those scriptures state as a whole. Taking one line out of context is not necessarily relevant…at least not to me.
I have looked at the stated scriptures in your second comment, but do not see your argument plainly displayed there. You are stating your conclusions as if I should know about them and understand them in the way you do. You have made no argument for me to even accept what you are saying. You have merely stated them as presupposed agreed upon conclusions.
I want the argument in full. I also want it to be short and to the point, and not by scripture reference alone. Referenced scriptures only show that there may be biblical support for the argument, but generally are not the argument itself.
Each separate line of your comment probably has a complete supporting argument, but you have not included it.
I have some familiarity with the concepts of all the non-scriptural events you are stating as being factual and proved, but I am not aware that they are factual and proven. I don’t know that there is even a consensus of opinion on them.
Nibiru, for instance, is a reference derived from past historical accounts of a currently non-visible, rarely occurring visit of planet X whose orbit is irregular, and extremely long in duration. I do not see the theory as being proved as yet, and the presupposition that the Solarium calculations of the approaching presence of that supposed rogue planet actually match a return of the Planet X to visibility are very hard for non-astronomers to understand. Some calculations of the planet X do not show that body coming near enough to be visible, while others claim it will come between us and the sun on a future date, and cause a great deal of disruption of the planet, conveniently allowing for the vials of the Tribulation to be caused by Nibiru.
I have no objection to there being a planet with a 3600 year or longer orbit around our sun, but I do not require that there be a physical reason for any past miraculous event, whether it is Joshua’s very long day, or the turning back of time for Hezekiah, nor for future ones. Once one has stated the existence of an all-powerful creative G-d, one can allow G-d to simply cause anything to happen without making a practical, physical reason for the miracle. In fact, having presupposed that a planet, or other natural occurrence caused these miracles…Joshua’s Long Day and Hezekiah’s Sundial being reset, you have also lessened G-d’s actual intervention to good long term planning on a mechanical universe by a prescient G-d, but not an all-powerful one. I do not mind G-d arranging for rogue planets, passing asteroids, comets, or changes in the poles being used to accomplish miracles reported in the Scriptures, but I simply trust that G-d was able to accomplish them without any physical problems being noted without any rogue planets, passing asteroids, comets, or changes in the poles.
Your conclusion that the shortening of the time, times and half a time of the Tribulation period to one year is not clearly stated by Yeshua…only that the times of difficulties would be shortened for the Elect’s sake. We do not know at what point in the final three and one half years of the Tribulation period those days would be shortened, since we do not know when the 1260 day period will start. I presume that G-d will intervene before every Believer is killed because Yeshua said there will be an intervention.
The Day of the Lord is not necessarily a reference to Armageddon, nor is the war we are obviously all assuming will occur at the plain below Har Megiddo going to happen prior to Yeshua’s return. It could well be a description of the Adversary’s final rebellion in the Millennial Kingdom.
Also, the ‘Day of the Lord’ is not only a description of a mere 24 hour period, but also a reference to the ‘Day of Jacob’s Trouble’, which can refer to the entire period of tribulation that will afflict Israel, or can even refer to the Millennial Kingdom, presuming it to be a thousand years in length, and referencing the use of ‘one day for a thousand years’ in describing how different G-d’s perception of time is to our own.
As for the Rapture, one needs to first be quite sure whether the catching away is of the wheat or of the tares before claiming that it will be a good time for Believers to be out of Tribulations’ way. I would love to be instantly with Yeshua tomorrow, but the evidence of Abba protecting Noah and family in an ark while washing away the evil people, and the Angels moving Lot and family to a nearby cave before burning Sodom to ashes leads me to think G-d will be protecting us on the ground rather than getting us out of the way.
If you wish to break down your comment in more detail, and proof by proof, I would be delighted to discuss them with you.
Q
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Eschatological Psalms are: Psalm 1= Year 1901,2, 7-10, 17-18 (1917-1918), 22-24, 45-48 (Psalms 47-48=1947-1948), 67 (1967), 72, 76, 82, 83, 96-98, 100, 105, 109=2009, 117-118 (2017-2018 or 5777-5778. 119=2019 (Messianic Kingdom/Millennium) Psalms 117=rapture in the year 5777. Psalm 118=the Second Coming chapter. Verse 5= Day of Trumpet. Verse 10-13= Ezekiel 38-39 war which ends on Day of Atonement with marriage of the Groom and Bride and Armageddon. Verse 15= Feast of Tabernacles/Messianic Kingdom=Millennium minus 1 year= rapture in the year prior to Feast of Tabernacles. If you cannot understand this then you are really stupid.
2 Samuel 22 became Psalm 18=1918.
All throughout Psalms 18, you read the book of Revelation.
Battle of Haifa Sept 19-25, 1918, Israel duriing Feast of Tabernacles. End of WWI.
The Battle of Haifa was fought on 23 September 1918 towards the end of the Battle of Sharon which together with the Battle of Nablus formed the set piece Battle of Megiddo fought between 19 and 25 September during the last months of the Sinai and Palestine Campaign of the First World War (WWI). These wars took place during a part of Feast of Tabernacles in the 7th Biblical Month which was the first month until the Exodus of 1441-1446 BCE.
And 100 years later on September 19th, 2018, we have the Battle of Megiddo (Armageddon) at WWIII on the Day of Atonement in the 7th Biblical month.
1948 +70 years (Psalms 90:10) = 2018 End of the human race. 2018 on Sept 19th is Armageddon minus 8.5 = rapture in ythe year of 5777 which ends in March on Abib 1.
In a year of Jubilee, the rapture can occur at the SOUND (Matt 24:31) which is on the New Moon, Full Moon or Solemn Feast Day Psalms 81:3; Proverbs 7:20 (full moon in the margin.
The year 5777 began in April of 2017.
Abraham’s Birth was 1947 BCE+2017 year = 70 CE (Destruction of the Temple (Matt 24:1-2)) +1947 years = 2017.
Battle of Jerusalem was 1917 (Psalms 17) +100 years (Lev 25:9-10-2 JUbilees) = 2017 (Psalms 117).
Proclamation of Israel 1947 (Psalms 47) + 70 years (Psalms 90:10) = 2017 (Psalms 117)
6th Day war was 1967 (Psalms 67) + 50 years (Lev. 25:9-10–1 Jubilee) = 2017 (Psalms 117).
2017 minus generations 38, 40,50, 70, 80, 100, and 120 years line up to significant events with Israel.
Rabbinic Day of Trumpet (Sept 20th, 2017) was the Giza Pyramind Line up and time signatures which began the Day of the Lord . Biblical Day of Trumpet was on the only Sabbath during the Days of Awe and was reconfirmation that the Day of the Lord had begun. Dec 25th, 2017 Krampus/Lucifer/Satn entered the Antichrist (Obama) who brings in Mark of the Beast, New World Order, One World Currency, and One World Religion which was signed into being on the Day of Pentecost in 2014. This comes into play after the rapture on January 31, 2018.
Since I am allowed one comment at a time then the next one will be on January 29, 2018. After that rebuttal, I will post January 31, 2018 information with 8 items.
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